Kylo Ren

WELCOME TO THE TRASH HEAP!!!

Seriously, though, this relationship (and Kylo himself) has so many parallels with SanSan and Sandor, it's hardly surprising to me that so many in the fandom are gravitating towards it. Granted, it's WAY more problematic than SanSan, but there are a lot of thematic similarities. For starters, the looks -- dark hair, dark/grey eyes, large hooked nose, (and something else that I won't mention right now cuz it's kind of a spoiler) etc. Kylo Ren is basically teenage Sandor, lmao. Then there's the theme of the cinnamon roll female who inspires the conflicted asshole to redeem himself -- because you KNOW there's a redemption arc coming for Kylo (even though it'll be too late; there's no way you kill Han Solo and get away alive). Rey is going to bring Kylo/Ben back to the Light, and it's gonna Fuck. Me. Up.

So you're seeing it on Wednesday for the first time?? I'm seeing it on Wednesday for the 4th time, haha! Very curious to hear your impressions. It's so funny how many people are already crushing on Kylo and shipping Reylo before they even see the film!

BUT SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THIS PRECIOUS GARBAGE BABY

I agree it's really strange but in my case it's because of the videos. I usually avoid them but I decided not to see the film when I saw a comment on Han's death. As there was nothing to loose I saw some videos out of curiosity and with a prejudice to dislike Kylo's character for every imaginable reason. But when I saw that scene with him carrying Rey bridal style, the interrogation scene and part of the final duel I couldn't not ship them. Perhaps we can expect unrequitted love on his side or maybe one of those frighteningly passionate dynamics where the characters are attracted to each other against their better judgement but can't help it, no matter what.

Kylo is Greek tragedy material because of the conflict inside him, how he's carried away by passion and perhaps fate, at least the fate potentially threatening someone with such extraordinary ancestors as his, and because of the magnitude, the enormity of what he did.

I don't think they chose to create such a rich character for nothing or that they, for no reason,used tropes to highlight these two are "big" enough, remarkable enough for each other, and their chemistry cries sensualiy and potential tragic romance at its best. The other guys aren't enough for a girl meant to become a hero. Ordinary guys don' t do for her narratively speaking despite their charm or good looks. As for their looks, I think they are too normal, they made them seem too normal for a character like Rey's. She has to get something grand and out of the ordinary, otherwise we will feel deflated. Kylo fits the bill because he is as extraordinay as her, so I think it would be a huge mistake if they didn't go for Raylo, full force.

By the way, what about thar sword of his, different from all the rest, red and looking so phalic it isn't even funny. It looks more like a medieval sword a knight templar would use. Knights themplar were warrior monks and left everything, family, home and the prospect of fathering children for their order. And they were killers, they killed in the name of God, going to the Crusades to fight a holy war against the so called infidels.

In the chapters I watched he never wears a shirt, LOL. I saw 4 chapters and no shirt, ever, haha.

I didn't know this actor and when I saw the pictures on the internet I thought he looked weird and ugly. How wrong I was, the more I look at him the more I like him. Pretty is boring more often than not and he is the opposite, mesmerising and sexy against all odds.

What is important is that he is very good as an actor and his weird looks just make you look at him even more. He has charisma. They went for him for reasons, they wanted that strength and unusual charm for Kylo's character.

I'm dying to know what you thought of the movie, eyesofmist? Add me to the trash heap because I love Kylo Ren. I went into the movie, like eyesofmist, expecting to hate him because of what he did to Han, but I found I wasn't even that bothered! Isn't that terrible? Part of it is that Han just looked so old, so tired...it was almost a mercy to see him not have to play to cocky smuggler any more. I would have preferred less wise-cracking Han and more Han as a father. Hmm....perhaps that's what Ben Solo wanted too?


But yes, I think you are both right that Sandor must come across like this...ugly, but then the personality, the sensuality, the charisma comes through and suddenly, he's transformed in your eyes. I didn't really know who Adam Driver was, but when I found out he was in "Girls," I said, NOPE! Sorry, I cannot with Lena Dunham. But then...oh then. It really is like when I first hated the Hound because he was a child murdering servant of the Lannisters. How could I like a Han Solo-murdering kisser of Lena Dunham...but here I am, once again .

Oh and I agree with you about Lena Dunham, I can't with her either, which is why I have avoided that show like the Pale Mare since it's been on. I did, however, watch a few clips on YouTube the other night, and I was just like "UUGGGHHHH A-Drive why would you waste your preciousness on HER??" And then I remember, oh yeah because that's precisely the way she wrote it. ;-P

I love Han Solo, and I found him very attractive, I love his silver hair and those wrinkles that made him look human and lived, not some sort of Holliwood star crazy for bottox and unable to part with his youth, trying to make it last at the cost of turning himself into a sort of wax doll. But Adam Driver, oh my God! I can't say enough. That secene on the gangway where father and son meet was the best of the film, incredibly beautiful, both of their faces showing so much, pain, feelings,so much hurt.

Adam looks beautiful in that scene. He is so weird-looking that can look ugly one moment and unbearably beautiful in another,and here he does look beautiful. How can death look so beautiful, I wonder? And there's so much love in Han,he probably wasn't the father Ben needed,nor Leia was the mother he needed either, but they did love him very much, so much that Han gave up his life, I think he gave it up on that gangway and that Kylo is a man on a mission, not a power crazy guy, a psycho without feelings or someone who revels in evil, I think he gave up his live too for some mysterious reason, he sold his hope, his soul and everything he was by doing what he did, but he thought he had to do it. He gave himself to the dark and will never have respite because he won't be able to smother his wish for light and his need of it. I think he is in a living hell now.

He talks to his father like Jesus did during his last night on earth, as if saying, ' Father, remove this chalice from me.' But already knowing that he can't, that he must do what he must do, although it will destroy him. I think Han understands to some extent.

By this, I'm not saying what he did,here or in the village wasn't horrible but that he thinks he is doing what is right,not out of desire to be evil. So, he may be brainwashed completely, like a religious zealot fighting a "holy" war and thinking this is his duty, or he may be hiding something. Perhaps "finishing what you started", what he says to Vader, is not becoming the most powerful in the galaxy through the force, but fighting the Dark side with its own weapons, which only can be done from inside, by learning which weapons they have, how the Dark Side works. But the final goal must be finding balace for the two sides of the force and nobody has been able to do that on his own, neither Vader nor Luke, one from the Dark Side and the other from the Light. That can only be achived in tandem, so he needs Ray to find balance and completion, only that way there will be equilibrium. They are night and day,dark and light, separated by a chasm,literally, like day and night that can't stay together but for a few moments at dawn and dusk but are condemned to be linked, because there would be no days without them.

eyesofmist, I'll read your Belle/Rey piece in a minute but just wanted to comment on this first:


So, squidproquo-ink and I went to see this AGAIN last night (my 4th time, her 7th!), and afterwards, we were talking about this scene and how it just gets more and more heartbreaking every time I see it. Then we were half-joking about how it had probably been YEARS since Han had seen Ben, so when he removed his helmet, he was probably expecting that same dorky-looking kid but was pleasantly surprised to see OH, he turned out pretty well, thank GOD! LMAO!

But in all seriousness, I find it fascinating how Ben/Kylo looks from both Rey's and Han's perspective. In the interrogation scene, Kylo is smoldering and intimidating; she has to resist looking at him (like Sansa with Sandor, anyone?). Like the audience, she was probably expecting some hideous (and old) creature and was surprised to see a very good-looking young man.

Compare that to when he takes his helmet off for Han -- he looks rather adolescent. He looks like a pouty little kid playing dress-up. The physical AND metaphorical mask is off, you know what I mean? Both A-Drive and JJ had a real knack for knowing how to frame his face at certain times. Like, he looks like a little kid again in the scene with Snoke right after the interrogation. And in the final fight scene in the forest, he somehow manages to look both intimidating AND childlike??? Whoa! THIS IS WHY I AM HERE, GUYS. lol