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Post by sillierthings on Dec 26, 2015 5:05:52 GMT
Bubug's art is fantastic. She brings Sansa and Sandor to life just as I imagine them. Both of their expressions are perfect.
Oh yes. I see that now. Before, I used to feel irritated with Tyrion being the hero, but if he had not come in, I do not believe Sandor would have stood there and let the abuse continue. He'd already shouted "Enough!" He was very, very close to the breaking point.
Isn't it relatively soon after this scene we find out via one of Sansa's chapters that a Kettleblack (the one with the scars) has been appointed to the Kingsguard and being seen with Joffrey more and more? I'm not imagining this, am I?
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Post by katie on Dec 26, 2015 5:54:01 GMT
Yes, but I think that was because Tyrion needed Sandor for leading sorties in the BoBW; also Tyrion's scheme to get Joff away from Sandor so that he could sneak the former into a brothel... which never ended up happening anyway?
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Post by sillierthings on Dec 26, 2015 5:59:31 GMT
True...still, narratively, it makes sense that even though Tyrion needed the Hound for battle, it still took him away from the court, delaying Sandor's inevitable breakdown just a bit longer.
The taking Joffrey to the whore house thing...what was that for do you think? It never panned out that we know of.
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Post by katie on Dec 26, 2015 7:12:23 GMT
I think it was for the same reason as on the show... Tyrion figured that getting his wick wet would loosen him up a bit, but yeah, he never followed through with it in the books. ;-P
Incidentally, that is another reason I HATE that scene on the show -- Sandor had JUST witnessed Joff have Sansa beaten and stripped in front of the whole court and was VISIBLY disturbed by it, then cut to this scene with Sandor acting like a meek little puppy with Joffrey (and all pink-in-the-cheeks over some prostities)... puleeeeeeze!!!!
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Post by eyesofmist on Dec 26, 2015 10:14:56 GMT
Yes, that scece on the show was absolutely ridiculous. How could you imagine the fierce Hound blushing because there were prostitutes coming to Joff's room? That couldn't be more stupid. He also knew of the boy's cruelty and that something bad could happen to the girls. And he should be extremely upset and uncomfortable about what Joff did to Sansa and not smiling like an idiot.
It makes a lot of sense for the Lannisters to lose their trust on Sandor around Joff, after saying "enough" in front of the whole court. The dog showed his teeth to the kid, so to speak, and they threw him into the fighting pits for that and brought a meeker dog for the boy.
I think he lost Jofftey's favour and the Lannisters trust after that 'enough'. I never thought Tyrion did anything heroic in that scene because it didn't cost him anything, he was the Hand and held a lot of power, he just stpped all the madness and did what was sensible and right. I'm sure Tywin would have stopped it too although he is evil, because Sansa is highborn and valuable and the nobles don't treat their peers like that in front of their lesser. That would mean showing them their class is vulnerable and they don't want that. See how they executed commoners (in all sorts of gruesome ways) and how they executed nobles (by the sword); this proves their intentions and attitude.
For Sandor, on the other hand, what he did was very costly. He could have killed Joff if no one was fast and skillful enough to kill Sandor first, but in the end, he would have paid with his life and Sansa would still be a prisoner. Moreover, they could have wondered why the Hound had gone so far to protect her and their wrath would have fallen upon her.
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Post by sillierthings on Dec 26, 2015 16:28:02 GMT
Yes, that's exactly how I was thinking of it. After that "Enough!" Sandor started to lose his favor in court. Perfectly stated.
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Post by katie on Dec 26, 2015 19:56:45 GMT
Very true, the Lannisters wouldn't have missed an opportunity to accuse Sansa of "bewitching" or even seducing Sandor or something like that, and gods only know what would've become of her then...
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