|
Post by eyesofmist on Aug 14, 2015 11:24:39 GMT
"And one last thing: yes, Randyll Tarley = the Butcher. Aren't they both disgusting!? Doesn't it make you wonder about poor GRRM and how he related to his father considering that I thought Martin said he identified most with Sam."
They are, yes, they are horrible indeed and you know, I had the same thoughts as you, I wondered what kind of relationship George had with his own father. I know he drank too much and they didn't have much in common but nothing else. Those examples of horrible fathers (Tywin, Tarly, Bolton)and estranged ones (Jaime for his children, Sandor's father, who didn't protect him or punish Gregor;Brienne's father, etc) make me think he probably had a horrible relationship with his own father.
|
|
|
Post by sillierthings on Aug 15, 2015 12:44:00 GMT
Ananda IS a liar, and she is no Sansa. You were right, I think, when you compared her to Melissandre. She's also more successful Cersei, manipulating men into doing what she wants.
However, the fact that he's able to talk to his lover touches him so deeply, reminds me of Sandor opening up his heart to Sansa, of her listening and trying to him the comfort he needs. I even find it comparable to when Sansa sings to Sandor when they are in her bed, and it's a deeply intimate moment, far more intimate than even sex would be. Sansa, of course, has no ulterior motives like Ananda, but it felt like there was a similar psychology going on with the male characters and gives a bit of insight into what GRRM considers a true loving connection to look like. A man falls in love with a woman who LISTENS to him. As if I had any doubts that Sandor loves Sansa.
But I REALLY like your comparison to BWB. That's exactly the message I saw repeated in AR. A just cause does not defend cruelty and violence. What is the old saying? You cannot fight evil with evil? Only goodness and mercy will halt injustice. That's why after reading this novel, I just have no tolerance for reading any one's thoughts about how Sansa is going to get revenge and become Queen of the North, or that Sandor is going to kill his brother. Or even that Sansa is going to kill Littlefinger. I don't think she will do any of these things. For me, it's a foregone conclusion that Sandor will not fight UnGregor out of any sense of revenge. And Littlefinger...it's a little too convenient because it keeps Sansa's hands clean, but I still think Lady Stoneheart will get him.
Sansa and Sandor are the characters who exemplify the idea that evil can only be truly defeated by mercy. Like Sandy refusing to kill to stop the "armageddon" from coming, so I think in the novel, the "long winter" or Westeros' version of Armageddon will be turned aside by a merciful act, not by violence. I don't know if Sansa and Sandor will play a definitive role in ending the long night, but they've served as an example of how it can be stopped. Does that make any sense?
|
|
|
Post by eyesofmist on Aug 15, 2015 15:10:07 GMT
Yes,it definitely does. There's an Armageddon coming in both books, but it won't be stopped with black magic (Melissandre) or mindless violence. If Ressurrection is ever possible, it must be brought by an act of Mercy, as you said and not one of destruction.
I also agree Nanda has much in common with other revengeful women in ASoIaF and also with Cersei and Melissandre, who use their sexuality to manipulate men. Nanda uses Morse very much like Melissandre uses Stannis, and both of them have their own agenda they keep for themselves until the end.
|
|