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Post by sillierthings on Feb 18, 2015 15:22:18 GMT
So, it's no secret that I don't really care for Tyrion, and that dislike stems directly from his treatment of Sansa. I was thinking about how there is an interpretation that somehow Tyrion was forced into marrying Sansa, but it's fairly clear from the text that he is not forced. He wants Winterfell. He wants a pretty wife, of course, but being Lord of Winterfell appears to be his true goal. So he breaks his vow to Cat, forcibly marries Sansa, molests her, and then resents her when she won't act like a loving wife. I hate that about his character.
Compare this to Jon who is offered Winterfell by Stannis. In his own way, Jon has led a very miserable life as a bastard, as an outsider, not unlike Tyrion. Part of the deal is that he would have to destroy the weirwood and marry Val. Jon is very tempted, but ultimately he cannot do it. Winterfell was Jon's home, but he cannot betray the old gods or force a girl to marry him for it. Just a bit of a parallel I noticed.
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Post by eyesofmist on Feb 18, 2015 16:18:38 GMT
I can't remember if Val would feel forced to marry him or not,if she had a choice. I had the impression that she liked Jon.
Jon is noble whereas Tyrion isn't. He is also generous in the way he loves women,we see that in his love making,wanting to give pleasure to Ygritte while Tyrion is never seen thinking of his women' s happiness pleasure. He is needy,he wants to be loved,which is normal for any person,but love is not about what you can get but about what you can do for the people you love, or so I think. This is when you show you love someone,when you think of them first (like Ned did when she thought or Cat and her family when Jon Arryn died).
Jon would make a good husband for anyone,but the problem is that he is a man who respects his word and he is loyal to a fault, unlike Tyrion,who decides to help the enemy (Dany)conquer Westereos because he feels betrayed by his own family. This seems horrible to me,betraying your people, your city and country because you despise your family. Of course he is right to be furious and hurt,but Dany will bring fire and blood to Westeros to conquer it,helping her is the worst form of betrayal to his country,IMO. There is also a Lannister on the Thrones, Tommen, and Tyrion doesn't care what will happen to him.
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Post by sillierthings on Feb 22, 2015 19:40:35 GMT
I think Val did/does like Jon. I think there is a little attraction there, but that's what makes Jon even more noble. He would not have had to force Val, I don't think, not like Tyrion participates (however passively) in forcing Sansa to marry him. Even with the idea that Val probably is kind of into him, Jon STILL refuses to take Winterfell. He honors his vows. He honors the weirwood and the gods of his "father." All things that Tyrion does not do: He marries the weeping child; he goes back on his solemn vow to Cat to return her daughters; he goes against the gods and his father when he kills Tywin. As you say, his own blood, Tommen, is on the throne, but he's throwing
Tyrion is fascinating, but more and more, I think he is not noble. I'm curious to see whether he will end in tragedy or whether he will redeem himself.
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Post by eyesofmist on Feb 23, 2015 10:43:53 GMT
Tyrion is a mystery as a character to me. I think I know where Jaime and and Cersei are leading and how they are going to end,not the way, of course,but the general idea. I think I know Jon will be the heroe in this store,the selfless noble heroe,but I don't know what Tyrion's role will be. I really have no idea. I think he will be important (he stood as tall as a king) but his soul is in such a desperate situation that I am not sure his ending won't be tragic.
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