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Post by katie on Mar 8, 2015 17:26:36 GMT
Well, I don't think he WANTED to kill her, even a mercy-kill; I think he fully intended to whisk her away with him that night. I don't think it crossed his mind that she would refuse (which she really didn't, because he forgot to ask properly, LOL). I think the perceived rejection coupled with the agonizing thought of leaving her there for Stannis's men just pushed him over the edge, and in that moment he couldn't think of anything else to do. Their relationship dynamic at that point had always been built on him challenging her, of trying to get her to convince him that there's still hope out there, that the stories he literally had burned out of him as a child are really true, and I think this was just the climax of that dynamic -- "Sing for your little life, little bird; convince me that there's still hope and that I shouldn't just put you (and possibly myself) out of your misery right here, right now." And she did just that.
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Post by sillierthings on Mar 8, 2015 17:29:19 GMT
For me, it is one of many possible interpretations. The one thing I feel relatively sure about this scene is that whatever his intentions, he was drunk, terrified and I don't know if he was clearly thinking about what he was going to do. It seems like the scene shifts between threat, love, sex, death, mercy so quickly. Do I think mercy killing crossed his mind. Yes. Do I think he wanted to save her, take her away to be his love. Yes. Do I think he was angry with her for not seeing how bad things were and running away with him (and the poor girl was drunk and terrified herself). Yes. Do I think he wanted to have sex with her. Yes. Do I think he maybe felt all of these things at the same time? Yes. Sandor and the Hound were warring with each other. The Hound would kill her out of mercy--because he loves her. Sandor would save her life--because he loves her.
(I say this, but I may change my mind with the next posting. lol)
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Post by eyesofmist on Mar 8, 2015 18:38:02 GMT
Well, I don't think he WANTED to kill her, even a mercy-kill; I think he fully intended to whisk her away with him that night. I don't think it crossed his mind that she would refuse (which she really didn't, because he forgot to ask properly, LOL). I think the perceived rejection coupled with the agonizing thought of leaving her there for Stannis's men just pushed him over the edge, and in that moment he couldn't think of anything else to do. Their relationship dynamic at that point had always been built on him challenging her, of trying to get her to convince him that there's still hope out there, that the stories he literally had burned out of him as a child are really true, and I think this was just the climax of that dynamic -- "Sing for your little life, little bird; convince me that there's still hope and that I shouldn't just put you (and possibly myself) out of your misery right here, right now." And she did just that. I love your reading of the scene,it must be one of the best interpretations of that scene I have ever seen. I can really see it like that, that his mind is so murky,he is so desperate and hurting so much he can only resort to death, he can't see a way out and knows what war is like for the losers, especially for women. The only question that makes me doubt is why didn't he force her to go with him if he thought she would be destroyed when he left? Perhaps he thought it was very difficult to escape with her and he would put her in a very dangerous position by dragging her away. I guess he had doubts and many things occurred to him in a very short lapse of time. I feel like sillier-things. I have changed my mind about this scene too many times.
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Post by katie on Mar 8, 2015 21:20:35 GMT
Yes, I agree with you both; a million different things went through his mind in a short amount of time and he did not have the capacity to reconcile it all in a rational manner and thus we end up with the mess that is the BoBW Scene, LOL.
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