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Post by sillierthings on Mar 15, 2015 17:14:32 GMT
This could probably also go under the strong women in t.v. thread. This quote upsets me so much. It goes beyond just wanting Sansa to be seen as a "badass." Sophie Turner says that a bath scene is badass. I assume she's joking, but you know, there it is again. To be badass, a woman has to be sexy and naked and seeking to hurt people. I hate that. It's not that you can't be naked and badass. I was naked when I gave birth to my kids, and let me tell you, I was a total badass both of those times  , but it's always for someone else's gaze on television. No, Sophie, that's not badass. That's catering to a bunch of low-minded mouth breathers who just want to see your tits. That's not being strong. Just my opinion and I know some would disagree, but it makes me sad, not just for Sansa's character but about television in general.
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Post by katie on Mar 15, 2015 21:35:14 GMT
Yeah, I'm sure you saw what I posted on Tumblr about this. Does she even realize what sort of message she is sending to female fans? Does she even CARE? Apparently not.
Where's Natalie Dormer with her motherly advice when you need her?? ;-P
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Post by sillierthings on Mar 16, 2015 14:06:53 GMT
I don't think she knows. She's just parroting what others have said and done too many times before: to be "mature" and "badass" one must be sexy. I have nothing against sexy. I have nothing against being "badass," but not every character is a sexy badass. Sansa is so much more than that and yes, it makes me sad to see the character reduced to that on screen. Sophie Turner is just doing what the people in charge want her to do, I'm sure, but it's too bad.
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Post by katie on Mar 16, 2015 14:47:15 GMT
Yeah, but she's not a child, she has a mind of her own, and she is perfectly capable of standing up for Sansa in a way that doesn't compromise the character (or D&D's version of it) and pander to the mouth-breathers (the same mouth-breathers, mind you, who have been vilifying Sansa since Season 1). At least Maisie Williams, who is YOUNGER than Sophie, acknowledges that Arya is going to some "dark places" and she doesn't glorify it. And Arya IS considered a "badass" (even though I wouldn't consider the things Arya has done -- or rather, the things she has HAD to do -- as "badass"). So yeah, it is too bad that Sophie is missing this great opportunity to say "You know what, Sansa is going through some dark changes right now in order to survive her current circumstances" instead of "BADASS! GRUESOME TWOSOME! RELATIONSHIP GOALZZZ!!!11!" Her age is not an excuse. In fact, she is actually making herself look way more immature.
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Post by sillierthings on Mar 16, 2015 15:17:41 GMT
I do agree with you, and you make a good point about Maisie being younger and still managing to look at her character's arc critically. I mean, even as poorly written as the show is, you can still see that Petyr has the power over her. It's not hard to see an old man molesting and using a young girl. Then, she and Aiden whats-his-face have the gall to say that Sansa is "playing" Littlefinger, using her sexuality. You can only play someone if you have power and she has none. Her "sexuality" is not a power. It's a vulnerability and something that can be used against her, as the book Sansa is well aware--hence the quick, dry pecks she gives Petyr when pressed and the need to think of him as "father"--to play the role of daughter as perfectly as she can so he doesn't press her to do even more. I guess it bothers me because we know we are dealing with writers/producers who do not film women in a loving way. Naked prostitutes, tied up erotically and shot with arrows, naked women beating each other for the young king's pleasure (none of this canon). Talisa being stabbed right in the womb. Brother/sister rape. Extra rape for Craster's wives, even young Meera being threatened (MEERA!!!). I don't know, but it just seems that here is a young actress who is playing right into that, without even giving the merest suggestion that what is happening to her character is a very bad thing indeed. So, basically, what you said ! |
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Post by katie on Mar 16, 2015 16:37:59 GMT
What I said and better! ;-) BTW, I admit I chuckled at the term "extra rape". It's just so ludicrous it borders on comical at this point... even though there's really nothing funny about it. The casualness with which this show treats sexual abuse is pretty disturbing. And it looks like Sansa is just another "victim". And YES, show-watchers & Sophie, Sansa IS a victim in this circumstance, even still. She is a victim because she has GIVEN IN to the one thing that makes all females in Westeros subjugated to their male counterparts -- that they are defined by their sexuality. She has also given in to the one thing that keeps Westeros the festering shithole it currently is -- the never-ending cycle of violence and vengeance.
Don't get me wrong, though, I do understand people's natural desire to see Sansa just bust out and go buckwild on bitches. And even when she DOESN'T, like in the books where she feels guilty for not kneeling for Tyrion or helps Lancel during the BoBW or is horrified by Joffrey's death, I catch myself thinking, "Why, gurl, WHY??" But then I remember, "Oh yeah, BECAUSE SHE IS A MUCH BETTER PERSON THAN I AM." In fact, she's a much better person than MOST people. And THAT is what makes her so special...and BADASS.
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, but it's always for someone else's gaze on television. No, Sophie, that's not badass. That's catering to a bunch of low-minded mouth breathers who just want to see your tits. That's not being strong. Just my opinion and I know some would disagree, but it makes me sad, not just for Sansa's character but about television in general.